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Post  IronGeneral on Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:08 am

Would we actually train in these, you know room-to-room clearance, flanking fields of fire and just plain co-operation in small groups or are we going lone gunman style? Cause I prefer the safety and efficiency of a squad. Thoughts, comments? Also does anyone have a military manual torrent thing that could get us started?

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Re: Small Squad Tactics

Post  Ceres on Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:34 am

IronGeneral wrote:Would we actually train in these, you know room-to-room clearance, flanking fields of fire and just plain co-operation in small groups or are we going lone gunman style? Cause I prefer the safety and efficiency of a squad. Thoughts, comments? Also does anyone have a military manual torrent thing that could get us started?


I would prefer being with a trained squad and I'm willing to go through with any training.

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Re: Small Squad Tactics

Post  ramenronin on Thu Jun 04, 2009 4:28 pm

Why would anyone make a survival group just to gone lone wolf???

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Re: Small Squad Tactics

Post  autonomous on Thu Jun 04, 2009 5:57 pm

If you can get your hands on FM 7-8 it covers basics of squad tactics through basic platoon tactics. FM 21-75 also has a little bit on tactics but it is more of a overall guide of useful stuff to know for when people are trying to kill you.


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Re: Small Squad Tactics

Post  juggajames on Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:07 pm

i think we should have squad and lone wolf training.

we aren't going to be together the whole time.

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Re: Small Squad Tactics

Post  IronGeneral on Thu Jun 04, 2009 6:58 pm

True enough. We have to learn how to survive on our own...I just thought of something. What do you do at night when you are alone? You can't stand watch. And if we plan on doing workshops for tactics and such, should we learn to survive in all types of terrain? I can't see a direct use for me to learn to survive in desert but it could come in handy.

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Post  Ceres on Thu Jun 04, 2009 7:03 pm

IronGeneral wrote:True enough. We have to learn how to survive on our own...I just thought of something. What do you do at night when you are alone? You can't stand watch. And if we plan on doing workshops for tactics and such, should we learn to survive in all types of terrain? I can't see a direct use for me to learn to survive in desert but it could come in handy.


We should learn how to survive in all types of terrain. I think it'd be for the best.

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Re: Small Squad Tactics

Post  weirdbeard on Thu Jun 04, 2009 8:51 pm

read the manual or go to the bookstore look for stuff on CQB. then once you understand the theory. lay out engineering tape on the ground to simulate rooms. Remember to try and stick to the formulas taught, its the standard, if you come out with some crazy wazoo shit nobody else but the team you train with will know it. Which is bad mojo.
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Re: Small Squad Tactics

Post  autonomous on Thu Jun 04, 2009 9:17 pm

mcwp 3-35.3 military operations on urban terrain

this one is an a more substantial guide to urban combat then the guide at the end of FM 21-75 and goes into more detail then FM 7-8


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Re: Small Squad Tactics

Post  ♫GENJUƲ穴☼☢۞҉░♫ on Fri Jun 05, 2009 7:40 am

Urban training is good but lets not lose sight of open area tactics, You'll still cross squares, fields, parks and even woodland or such crossing from point A to B.

L, V and T style pattern group dispersals are some of the easier ones to remember and adhere to. Not only are these attack patterns good for patrol but some are even great for ambush/bottlenecking operations.

We should also get familiar with group size designations, I remember that squads are normally 6 and platoons are around 12 but thats all I remember for now.

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Re: Small Squad Tactics

Post  juggajames on Fri Jun 05, 2009 8:29 am

GENJU Æ wrote:Urban training is good but lets not lose sight of open area tactics, You'll still cross squares, fields, parks and even woodland or such crossing from point A to B.

L, V and T style pattern group dispersals are some of the easier ones to remember and adhere to. Not only are these attack patterns good for patrol but some are even great for ambush/bottlenecking operations.

We should also get familiar with group size designations, I remember that squads are normally 6 and platoons are around 12 but thats all I remember for now.
if someone posts a picture of these formations, i will remember them until i get alzheimers

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Re: Small Squad Tactics

Post  weirdbeard on Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:12 am

for movement, there are a few basics to remember. if you walk in a line its called a file, if you alternate one person on each side of the road its called a staggered file. A wedge is just that, point in the middle and the remainder is behind and off to the side. The other forms are used when assaulting through or around the objective. either come on line meaning everyone is even then as a group move through the objective. or sweep left or right. meaning half of the element is on line as a base of fire, the others then flank to the left or right come on line, base of fire shifts, the flanking element then assaults through. easy peazy. there's more to it but thats the nuts and bolts.

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Re: Small Squad Tactics

Post  Xolotl on Fri Jun 05, 2009 11:28 am

Ceres wrote:
IronGeneral wrote:True enough. We have to learn how to survive on our own...I just thought of something. What do you do at night when you are alone? You can't stand watch. And if we plan on doing workshops for tactics and such, should we learn to survive in all types of terrain? I can't see a direct use for me to learn to survive in desert but it could come in handy.


We should learn how to survive in all types of terrain. I think it'd be for the best.


It might be for the best but don't expect me to go anywhere near a desert. I'm from Britain. British people and deserts don't mix at all, we just go a red as our hair and fall over from dehydration. We much prefer the rain, and as I'm typing this, IT'S FECKING RAINING! Once in a blue moon is when it doesn't rain here! I've seen people from Wales with actual webbed hands, the guy was a comedian, he was on the T.V., held up his hand and his middle finger was stuck to his third finger with a flap of skin up to the knuckle. THAT'S HOW MUCH RAIN WE GET! Some of us have evolved to cope with the rain!

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Post  autonomous on Fri Jun 05, 2009 5:45 pm

GENJU Æ wrote:Urban training is good but lets not lose sight of open area tactics, You'll still cross squares, fields, parks and even woodland or such crossing from point A to B.

L, V and T style pattern group dispersals are some of the easier ones to remember and adhere to. Not only are these attack patterns good for patrol but some are even great for ambush/bottlenecking operations.

We should also get familiar with group size designations, I remember that squads are normally 6 and platoons are around 12 but thats all I remember for now.


a fire team is around 6, a squad is around 12, a platoon is about 3 squads. Also the manuals I posted links to cover formations as well.

I realize these manuals are a bit long but if you really want to learn this stuff its important to know most of it not just selective bits of info that get posted here. Military training guides are a very credible resource so read up.

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Re: Small Squad Tactics

Post  IronGeneral on Sat Jun 06, 2009 9:00 am

read the manual or go to the bookstore look for stuff on CQB. then once you understand the theory. lay out engineering tape on the ground to simulate rooms. Remember to try and stick to the formulas taught, its the standard, if you come out with some crazy wazoo shit nobody else but the team you train with will know it. Which is bad mojo.
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ummm would it be nerdy if I told you I already owned a book on CQB? lol Xolotl agree with you. I detest deserts. I'll go to somewhere cold though no problem. Also people, lone wolf was only a recommendation for those of us nowhere near each other like myself, just so that we can make it to he others without dying.

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