How to deal with disagreements.

[Just Jack]

I was wondering how you guys were planning on dealing with small social disagreements at HQ in the midst of chaos as well as after things settled down. Disagreements on things such as drugs, sex life, hobbies, attitude and anti-social personality are all inevitable to happen. Obviously hard drugs are out of the question such as MDMA, Coke, and opiates but psychedelics I think should be a choice given to those who choose to do so. For the sake of principle I would leave a society that doesn't let me take part in my own destiny.

As for the religious subject going on in the other thread, I think depending on how evangelistic they are, some people would take matters like the ones said above to the higher ups depending on the higher ups to take care of their complaints. I believe the right answer for the higher ups to say to the complainers would be the reason below...

In every day life it is best to let disagreements be disagreements and go about with your own life. It should be the same on Z-day.

As for the term higher-ups, I don't think their should be a huge hierarchical structure. I think the whole community should remain close, not so much like an anarchy though.

[Twitch]

I was wondering how you guys were planning on dealing with small social disagreements at HQ in the midst of chaos as well as after things settled down. Disagreements on things such as drugs, sex life, hobbies, attitude and anti-social personality are all inevitable to happen. Obviously hard drugs are out of the question such as MDMA, Coke, and opiates but psychedelics I think should be a choice given to those who choose to do so. For the sake of principle I would leave a society that doesn't let me take part in my own destiny.

As for the religious subject going on in the other thread, I think depending on how evangelistic they are, some people would take matters like the ones said above to the higher ups depending on the higher ups to take care of their complaints. I believe the right answer for the higher ups to say to the complainers would be the reason below...

In every day life it is best to let disagreements be disagreements and go about with your own life. It should be the same on Z-day.

As for the term higher-ups, I don't think their should be a huge hierarchical structure. I think the whole community should remain close, not so much like an anarchy though.

even though i personally support anarchy in the political sense, i agree with you on a few things.
i think personalities would be the most heated thing, even if we only wait 2 weeks in hold up, people are going to be bored, scared, and (me particularly) are going to hate people. the only thing i could think of is, like, charades... a big ass game of charades...

But i have a question that goes along with this. Are any of you guys a therapist or a psychologist? More so than injury i think that even the most dedicated of us are going to be fucked up in the head if we watch our girlfriend, or our mother/father, or best friend turn. It'll be torturous to burst into your girlfriends house only to find that shes a zed, knowing that you were too late,

or to get her in time, but she's attacked and ripped apart, or turns right before your eyes.
I couldn't bear to see that happen to her (i love her too much).

Then you have to hold the gun steady and kill them.

I don't think any of us are ready for that, nor ever will be.

Also, as i type this another question springs to mind, what would we do should a fellow ZAC is attacked say if your out on a SAR mission? or a survivor? Like in that scene in the first resident evil movie when the guy opens the door and is just pulled in and eaten by the horde behind it (which we all know happens in every zombie flick[which is why do never open a door and then turn your back to it!])

Do we try to save the ZAC and shoot at the zeds around them? would we try to pull them out of the grasp and hope the ZAC is not bitten? Do we just shoot them to spare them the pain of being bitten/being turned? What if they're bitten and we get them away, but they havn't turned yet? Do we let the ZAC continue to help with the search and rescue for as long as we can, and then kill him? Do we take a page out of 28 days where as soon as we see their blood and kill them, even if they're not turned?

I live straight-edge (just the ethics, none of that "hXc" religious emo bullshit) but I think HQ needs to be filled with a SHITLOAD of drugs and psychologists. Even i will want to just get away when we're stuck up in the dark for a MINIMUM of two weeks with the thoughts of how i shot my beautiful love in the face, because i wasn't quick enough to save her....

Now that i type that... i think it's best that once your in HQ, all weapons should be confiscated... bullets will look too friendly in certain situations. Or at least only carried by those proved to be mentally sound...

[autonomous]

Your right you have too be very conditioned to be able to watch people you know die and not have it destroy you and your moral. but giving people all the drugs they can take is not a very good way of dealing with it we're going to need every one be be at 100% at a moments notice and that's not going to happen if half the camp is tripping on drugs. If drug use happens it needs to happen at a small enough level that people are going to still be functional when going through withdrawal. For kids I think it's important that they start getting conditioned to death of loved ones early so they wont need drugs to make their life worth living.

[Twitch]

Your right you have too be very conditioned to be able to watch people you know die and not have it destroy you and your moral. but giving people all the drugs they can take is not a very good way of dealing with it we're going to need every one be be at 100% at a moments notice and that's not going to happen if half the camp is tripping on drugs. If drug use happens it needs to happen at a small enough level that people are going to still be functional when going through withdrawal. For kids I think it's important that they start getting conditioned to death of loved ones early so they wont need drugs to make their life worth living.

well thats the main reason i dont use drugs now, i don't want to be tripping through life, especially since im very politically involved, but i think that for the guys really fucked up, to the point where they will FIGHT someone to put a bullet in they're head, giving the guy some sleeping pills or a dose of heroine wouldn't be such a bad idea.

like i said, we NEED a psychiatrist, of "Docs" and they can decide who really needs the drugs. the children will be fine overall, they're me emotionally scarred and fucked for life, but chances are, even if the apocalypse last a few weeks, the worlds going to be MAD MAX for them.

That reminds me, remind me to ask the transportation thread about those little gyro copters, if we can get a few of those and mod em up, those would be a HUGE advantage in SAR.

[ramenronin]

This may be something I could develop a skill for, I'm in the Speech and Debate team at my JC and one of the events at state champs I was interested in is Conflict Resolution.

So if I find out anything on how the "pros" do it I'll be sure to keep you guys posted. Hell even if Zday never comes that's still a handy skill to have.

[Just Jack]

Like I said, I wasn't talking about hard drugs, fuck no. Just weed. Obviously one couldn't smoke it a lot because there are gonna be times when he needs to fight some zeds. It is perfectly fine though to be high and be working. Everyone who smokes knows you can still do anything you would normally be doing. So I hope you guys don't believe in that bullshit lazyness stoner stereotype.

[Elephant]

Like I said, I wasn't talking about hard drugs, fuck no. Just weed. Obviously one couldn't smoke it a lot because there are gonna be times when he needs to fight some zeds. It is perfectly fine though to be high and be working. Everyone who smokes knows you can still do anything you would normally be doing. So I hope you guys don't believe in that bullshit lazyness stoner stereotype.

I have never touched it myself, but i know that the only reason one of my friends graduated from highschool is he got high and did his homework. it was too dull otherwise and he wouldnt touch it.

[♫GENJUÆ穴☼☢۞҉░♫]

I smoke the gange all the time during band practice, work, showering... I won't deny the physical effects but I have yet to meet a drug that fucked with my mind, I still make rational decisions with total common sense, even when I run out in front of cop cars. The same goes for beer after slamming a pitcher or six, even when I'm blacked out I still make it home safe every time, I may not remember the Laotian chicks that were on my lap that I was apparently fingering at the keg party the other week (my friends have turned it into a game to remind me of my exploits) my whole point is that some people can get totally fucked up and still function, thing is... I don't know how "you" will handle yourself messed up. I only drink and drug with the friends that I have that I know can have common sense, till I see how you handle yourself during "offtime" will I decide if I'll work with you while you're "medicated".

[Just Jack]

I smoke the gange all the time during band practice, work, showering... I won't deny the physical effects but I have yet to meet a drug that fucked with my mind, I still make rational decisions with total common sense, even when I run out in front of cop cars. The same goes for beer after slamming a pitcher or six, even when I'm blacked out I still make it home safe every time, I may not remember the Laotian chicks that were on my lap that I was apparently fingering at the keg party the other week (my friends have turned it into a game to remind me of my exploits) my whole point is that some people can get totally fucked up and still function, thing is... I don't know how "you" will handle yourself messed up. I only drink and drug with the friends that I have that I know can have common sense, till I see how you handle yourself during "offtime" will I decide if I'll work with you while you're "medicated".

I've experimented a lot with drugs. The only drug other than weed I do is DXM. I do it a couple times every year. And I barely even do weed. I like it this way. It allows my feeling of existence to be more clear and less cloudy. This is just me though some people may be different. So I hope the fellow ZACs here can trust that you will never see me being a dumb fuck. Unless It's a party and I get sloshed.

[Twitch]

so whats the final word?
Even though i hate drugs, i've never forced someone to give them up, its perfectly in their own right, and i'm sure the majority, if not all, of you will agree.

So should we save the hardcore drugs to those who cant mentally cope?
What do we do with the suicidals? do we allow them to kill themselves? Should we help them?
On any other occasion, i would say help them, but as cruel as it sounds, if they're dead, we have more supplies for the survivors and ZACs.

[Elephant]

so whats the final word?
Even though i hate drugs, i've never forced someone to give them up, its perfectly in their own right, and i'm sure the majority, if not all, of you will agree.

So should we save the hardcore drugs to those who cant mentally cope?
What do we do with the suicidals? do we allow them to kill themselves? Should we help them?
On any other occasion, i would say help them, but as cruel as it sounds, if they're dead, we have more supplies for the survivors and ZACs

and one less unknown variable. as far as drugs go, i don't think we can have a pro drug stance as an organization, just as a general "we are not crackpots" guideline. not to say ban them, but maybe take no stance at all in an official capacity. as for suicide risks, that can be really bad for morale. i honestly dont know how i would handle them exactly...

[autonomous]

suicides aren't something we can just openly say "if you want to kill your self then do it". As said before terrible for moral just imagine the impact of finding out the guy you've been working next to for the past few day not showing up because he couldn't handle the lose of his family so he killed himself. If we are going to say were not going to stop people from using drugs then it at least needs to be supervised. I don't use drugs but a know a few people who do and they can make some really bad choices when high. Just imagine the camp getting over run because Joe was got high and decided to open the gate or got close enough to the fence that a zombie was able to grab him and infect him.

[Just Jack]

suicides aren't something we can just openly say "if you want to kill your self then do it". As said before terrible for moral just imagine the impact of finding out the guy you've been working next to for the past few day not showing up because he couldn't handle the lose of his family so he killed himself. If we are going to say were not going to stop people from using drugs then it at least needs to be supervised. I don't use drugs but a know a few people who do and they can make some really bad choices when high. Just imagine the camp getting over run because Joe was got high and decided to open the gate or got close enough to the fence that a zombie was able to grab him and infect him.

I think what elephant said is a good idea. Also, toobe forgotten, I think a really good idea would be a gradual trust gaining principle we would all have to stick to. A guideline of trust... not sure how to put it. Say a couple Z:CORPS chapters get together at a local HQ and none of us knew each other personally, except for the individual chapters obviously knowing each member of their group personally. Each group would have to warm up to each other and as we do that we should be gaining the trust of one another and by gaining trust we'd have more advantages and we would be able to do things like weed without the hesitance of the other members because they trust us. By gaining each others trust we would also be showing the true colors of our honor, respect and open mindedness thus forming a stronger Z:CORPS all around. I'll keep this concept of trust in my log, I think it will be important.

[Twitch]

Where the fuck is Frasier Crane when you need him?

[AnalogueV]

It's probably safe to assume that even in a smaller group you'd face the same brick wall we do now where drugs are concerned. People want to get messed up in any way they can. I'm anti anything that addicts to the point of turning you against your fellows. Drug addicts aren't known for civility and in a survival situation it's even more vital to be banded together. But I don't think it's feasible to keep everyone kosher, you know? It's like prison, you can keep the pointy things away, but they'll work around. I suppose you could have an extremely strict punishment system for such things, but people are not to be denied their earthly pleasures.